Sell the Vatican, feed the world?
I just saw this video for the first time last night: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bObItmxAGc Sarah Silverman irreverently (and hilariously) beckons the Pope to sell his Vatican City and use the 500 billion dollars or so to build himself a nice, reasonable condo for him and his friends, and use the rest to feed every human being on earth. Here are the questions: 1. Could it work? Is it feasible? Could the city be sold, even in partitions? Could the money go to feeding those who need it? 2. Would it be adhering to what Jesus taught for the Catholic Church itself to sell its posessions and give the proceeds to the needy? 3. Would it ever, in a million years, happen? If it sold, the buyer would likely be Italy. @ Thatius - not everyone would need to take part in the money. We could feed those without access to good nutrition for years and years. Jesus told us not to store up treasures on earth. We should, he implies, act as though the end will be tomorrow. The Vatican City provides nothing that couldn't be obtained elsewhere. The church is, at most, 1650 years old. Age is irrelevant. What is more important, an old, old city or humanity?
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WWJD?
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No, the Pope is an evil Sith lord, he wont do that.
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that vatican is not a city it is a country so yes you can sell it but who would by it. and who would sell it
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I'll answer the questions as you have listed them. 1. I wouldn't trust anything that leaves Sarah Silverman's mouth. But though it wouldn't be flawless, it'd be do-able. 2. It would be what Jesus would want, yes. Compassion and love for each other is all Jesus ever wanted, though there are many people who imagine Jesus wielding a chainsaw for some odd reason. 3. No, man loves money, we are all vulnerable to greed. The Pope is a man, maybe he is holy and chosen by the Almighty, but he is just a man, and I prefer to pray to the one who made me.
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1. Plausibly, but you would only be able to give every human on earth a little under a hundred dollars. But the city could not be sold I'm afraid. Vatican city is a country and anyone who bought a country would have a lot of problems for doing so and any country that would buy it could very well provoke a holy war. 2. I guess so, but being a person who believes it's best to be charitable in ways that will help long term it goes against MY teachings. 3. ABSOLUTELY NOT. The Church is next to 2000 years old and Vatican City is its epicenter. To dismantle Vatican City would be to break a 2000 year old practice.* *Vatican city isn't 2000 years old but Saint Peter was the first pope.
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Good question. Better than you might think..... Hope you read all this. Vatican wouldn't even have to be sold.... just the paintings alone in the churches are worth more than that. But, back to your question. Would it work? No. Why? Simply because all these who are now fed would make more babies, until the spaces were again filled up with starving children.... there have always been starving children all over the world. When a family produces 9 kids, they starve, or are intellectually compromised to the point of damage to their intelligence. Children who do not get enough to eat as babies, do not develop mentally. Plain, hard, cold fact. In Kenya right now, the average girl has her first baby at 14, with 13 more pregnancies in her life, and 9 live births. (Yup, you read that correctly.) In the bush, away from cities where there is no medical care, half of those 5 will die before age 1. Of those remaining, half will die before age 5. A Kenya women, living in a tribe with no medical care will be lucky to raise two children to age 16. But with medical care,( and most can now get it) about all of them live, being saved from milaria, and various other childhood diseases. (in 1960, the population of Tanzania was 4 million. It is now more than 20million, in just 50 years. Typical of Third World countries.) The planet doesn't need more children, nor more people. It can barely support the ones it has. In the final analysis, even Genetically Modified Foods has a limit. There are right now 6.7 billion perople on this planet, going to more than 8.3 is less than 30 years. Unless we find a way to stablize population, selling anything to feed anyone is putting a bandaid on a cancer. Sadly, no one, no government, and no worl leader, nor any national leader ever talks about limiting births... only China. And its efforts have in essence failed. If the family opted to have a child, and the fetus proved to be female, it is often aborted, since the family wants a boy to grow up and support them in a high paying job. This has been the policy in China for decades. The effect? Lots of men will never marry. And unmarried, ungrounded men make for riots. Look who makes up the Taliban, and Al Quaeda.... almost every single one, an unmarried man between the ages of 17 and 40 . The world doesn't need to feed any more people. It needs effective birth control, and a promise to its older citizens to have worry free elder years, so that they find no need to have 8 children, hoping one will turn out well enough to support them all. This problem exists all over Third World countries. And they do not allow birth control, nor abortions. A Kenyan girl would stand in line a month for pills, which any American can get for freeeee at planned parenthood. Abortions are not available.....Worse, none of these countries will accept any outfit pushing birth control. Go figure. So, no, her idea wouldn't work. (whoever she is.....) Would it ever, ever even happen. No There is an old saying..."When the patio is being flooded by a faucet which it turned on, quit mopping, and turn off the faucet." It is the same principal.... ya gotta turn off the faucet.
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Yet... Sarah Silverman has sold her belongings to do the same? Why do people continue to insist that others do things which they are not willing to do themselves? I find that odd. Anyhow, Vatican City is it's own country... so her suggestion is obviously ignorant. How to you sell off a country and all of it's inhabitants? Answer: You can't!!! Furthermore, this logic is outright stupid. Let's say I had a billion dollar home, and I sold it... guess what? $1B goes by pretty quick and people can eat for awhile, but this will not solve the problem of global hunger. It's this close minded train of thought which only allows people to look into the near future and not long term. The RCC does more, long term for the impoverished than any other organization in the world... and she's been doing this for almost 2000 years. NO other organization can even think of saying they do this.
Wednesday, April 21, 2010
Wednesday, April 14, 2010
What will christians do now that the Vatican has admitted that Darwin was right
What will christians do now that the Vatican has admitted that Darwin was right?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5705331.ece The Vatican has admitted that Charles Darwin was on the right track when he claimed that Man descended from apes. A leading official declared yesterday that Darwin’s theory of evolution was compatible with Christian faith, and could even be traced to St Augustine and St Thomas Aquinas. “In fact, what we mean by evolution is the world as created by God,†said Archbishop Gianfranco Ravasi, head of the Pontifical Council for Culture. The Vatican also dealt the final blow to speculation that Pope Benedict XVI might be prepared to endorse the theory of Intelligent Design, whose advocates credit a “higher power†for the complexities of life. Organisers of a papal-backed conference next month marking the 150th anniversary of Darwin’s On the Origin of Species said that at first it had even been proposed to ban Intelligent Design from the event, as “poor theology and poor scienceâ€. Intelligent Design would be discussed at the fringes of the conference at the Pontifical Gregorian University, but merely as a “cultural phenomenonâ€, rather than a scientific or theological issue, organisers said. The conference is seen as a landmark in relations between faith and science. Three years ago advocates of Intelligent Design seized on the Pope’s reference to an “intelligent project†as proof that he favoured their views. Conceding that the Church had been hostile to Darwin because his theory appeared to conflict with the account of creation in Genesis, Archbishop Ravasi argued yesterday that biological evolution and the Christian view of Creation were complementary. Marc Leclerc, who teaches natural philosophy at the Gregorian University, said that no scholar could “remain indifferent†to the 200th anniversary of Darwin’s birth tomorrow. There was, however, “no question of celebrating†it. The Vatican would “take the measure of an event, which has left its mark for ever on the history of science and has influenced the way we understand our humanityâ€. The “time has come for a rigorous and objective valuation†of Darwin by the Church, he said. Professor Leclerc said that too many opponents of Darwin – above all Creationists – had mistakenly claimed that his theories were “totally incompatible with a religious vision of realityâ€, as did proponents of Intelligent Design. Darwin’s theories had never been formally condemned by the Roman Catholic Church, Monsignor Ravasi insisted. His rehabilitation had begun as long ago as 1950, when Pius XII described evolution as a valid scientific approach to the development of humans. In 1996 John Paul II said that it was “more than a hypothesisâ€. Father Giuseppe Tanzella-Nitti, Professor of Theology at the Pontifical Santa Croce University in Rome, said that Darwin had been anticipated by St Augustine of Hippo. The 4th-century theologian had “never heard the term evolution, but knew that big fish eat smaller fish†and that forms of life had been transformed “slowly over timeâ€. Aquinas had made similar observations in the Middle Ages, he added. He said it was time that theologians as well as scientists grappled with the mysteries of genetic codes and “whether the diversification of life forms is the result of competition or cooperation between speciesâ€. As for the origins of Man, although we shared 97 per cent of our “genetic inheritance†with apes, the remaining 3 per cent “is what makes us uniqueâ€, including religion. “I maintain that the idea of evolution has a place in Christian theology,†Professor Tanzella-Nitti added. Creationism remains powerful in the US, however, notably among Protestants, and its followers object to evolution being taught in state schools. The Church of England is seeking to bring Darwin back into the fold with a page on its website paying tribute to his “forgotten†work in his local parish, to illustrate how science and Church need not be at odds. Several pages celebrate Darwin’s “significant scientific progress†to mark his bicentenary and also the 150th anniversary of On the Origin of Species. The Church wants to correct the impression that Darwin’s relationship with Anglicanism was contentious. The Anglican Church as a whole did not condemn Darwin or his beliefs. It says that although he lost his faith, he did not become antiChurch or antireligious.
Religion & Spirituality - 21 Answers
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hooray! the vatican made a quantum leap from year 1 ad to the 21st century at last
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What do you mean by 'Christians?' Did you know that a large sum of Christians believe in evolution? Did you know that evolution was first coined by creationists?
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Just because someone believes what one says doesn't mean its right or fact. Truth is not dictated, it is the dictator. If you just stuck to the first sentence you could've saved yourself all this time.
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They will say that god spoke to them and said the pope is a fraud.
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Well, sense this Child of God thinks the vatican has NO say so in what God thinks, does or says, I could care less...... go in peace... God bless
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Well, first, the Catholic church has had this stance, perhaps unofficially, for quite some time. Second, the pope is not the leader of all Christians, only Catholics, so some Christians won't give a rat's a@@ what the pope says is in agreement with the Catholic faith. Third, I just love how the Catholic church is saying that some of their saints were actually the ones who set the precedent for the theory of evolution. If that's not "spin" I don't know what is.
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The Vatican has no say over True followers of Christ,so it is mute either way..
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I'm with Annie on this one. I give "papal authority" about as much credence as if the pope wrote a manual on automotive maintenance. If they wish to "cave" on this issue, that is their call. Doesn't affect me one iota. I am, and shall remain, a creationist. And yes, I've investigated the "evidence" of evolution and find it incredibly lacking.
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Forget the crappy news. Catholics still believe in Intelligent Design. If you believe in God, you have to subscribe to Intelligent Design of one form or another.
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This isn't the first time the catholic church has been wrong. Look at their lying, blood filled history. Just a bunch of pompous old men playing dress up in their flowing robes and fish hats. I could care less what the catholic church has to say, there just men pleasers.
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Fortunately, the Vatican does not represent me or my beliefs, and I am not obliged to do or believe anything that they say. The Vatican is--and has always has been---a glorified political office that will compromise any "Christian" doctrine in order to either get more people to fill their coffers or to keep people from leaving.
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Sounds like some folks at the Vatican need to open their Bibles and actually read it; billions of year of evolution and the Bible are 100% incompatiable. 1.The Bible clearly teaches that God created in six literal, 24-hour days a few thousand years ago. 2.The context of Genesis 1 clearly shows that the days of creation were literal days. 3.The genealogies of Genesis 5 and 11 make it clear that the creation days happened only about 6,000 years ago. 4.Exodus 20:9–11 blocks all attempts to fit millions of years into Genesis 1. 5.Noah’s Flood washes away millions of years. 6.Jesus was a young-earth creationist
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The author of this article is about 60 years too late. Truth cannot contradict Truth. -- Pope Leo XIII Most Jews and Christians do not take the stories of creation in the Bible literally. We believe the stories included in first 11 chapters of Genesis tell religious truth but not necessarily historical fact. One of the religious truths is that God created everything and declared all was good. Catholics can believe in the theories of the big bang or evolution or both or neither. On August 12, 1950 Pope Pius XII said in his encyclical Humani generis: The Teaching Authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions, on the part of men experienced in both fields, take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter - for the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God. Here is the complete encyclical: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xii/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_12081950_humani-generis_en.html And here is the Address of Pope John Paul II to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences on October 22, 1996 speaking of the Theory of Evolution: http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_jp02tc.htm Here is an interesting article about Pope John Paul II's opinion in the matter: http://www.americamagazine.org/content/article.cfm?article_id=4627 The Church supports science in the discovery of God's creation. At this time, the big bang and evolution are the most logical scientific explanations. As long as we believe that God started the whole thing, both the Bible and responsible modern science can live in harmony. Here is a nice list of Christian thinkers in science: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science The Clergy Letter Project an open letter endorsing the Theory of Evolution signed by over 10,000 clergy from many
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The Vatican did not say Darwin was right. It said that Christians are free to choose what they want to believe about evolution, and that any choice they make is totally compatible with true Christian teaching. The catholic Church, because its teachings are guaranteed true by its founder Jesus Christ, has no fear of truths revealed by science. Truth cannot conflict with truth.
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Well - I was never one to follow church doctrines that are different than what is stated in the bible. Let them talk away - I don't believe evolution for a second - I do believe the words written in scripture - Evolution has been taught in US public schools since the Scopes' 'monkey trial' of 7*21*1925. the catholic church has declared all sorts of stuff that can be found nowhere in scripture - being christian is not the same as being catholic
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The Catholic church has been wrong since the begining. They made people pay for their sins to be forgiven so they could take the money for themselves. They also didn't let anyone read the Bible and they read the Bible to them while making up their own rules. I just finished Western Civilization in college, so I know this. I'm not supprised they are wrong again. I love Jesus! and God created the earth, fool
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I have never listened to what the Vatican said........ever.
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Can you read English? How much do you know about the CC? The CC has never said Darwin was right. It has said for years and years that he might be right, and that his theory is not incompatible with Christianity. But I'm glad to discover you're just about caught up.
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You make the claim that the Vatican is Christian. I do not believe they are true Christians, so, to answer your question, I as a true Christian and Jehovah's Witness will still continue to put faith in my creator. What the Vatican decided on Christianity has no bearing on true Christians.
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I don't know where in the article that you got that idea? It never said Darwin was right.
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Christians won't do anything different. The vast majority of christians in the world, including Catholics, have accepted evolution and Darwin's ideas for decades. There will be no change in thinking for them. It is only the fundamentalist, literal bible sects, largely in the USA, that don't accept evolution. They will not be paying any attention to the Vatican -- those sects are not Catholic. Since they don't agree with the Vatican, they won't do anything different either.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5705331.ece The Vatican has admitted that Charles Darwin was on the right track when he claimed that Man descended from apes. A leading official declared yesterday that Darwin’s theory of evolution was compatible with Christian faith, and could even be traced to St Augustine and St Thomas Aquinas. “In fact, what we mean by evolution is the world as created by God,†said Archbishop Gianfranco Ravasi, head of the Pontifical Council for Culture. The Vatican also dealt the final blow to speculation that Pope Benedict XVI might be prepared to endorse the theory of Intelligent Design, whose advocates credit a “higher power†for the complexities of life. Organisers of a papal-backed conference next month marking the 150th anniversary of Darwin’s On the Origin of Species said that at first it had even been proposed to ban Intelligent Design from the event, as “poor theology and poor scienceâ€. Intelligent Design would be discussed at the fringes of the conference at the Pontifical Gregorian University, but merely as a “cultural phenomenonâ€, rather than a scientific or theological issue, organisers said. The conference is seen as a landmark in relations between faith and science. Three years ago advocates of Intelligent Design seized on the Pope’s reference to an “intelligent project†as proof that he favoured their views. Conceding that the Church had been hostile to Darwin because his theory appeared to conflict with the account of creation in Genesis, Archbishop Ravasi argued yesterday that biological evolution and the Christian view of Creation were complementary. Marc Leclerc, who teaches natural philosophy at the Gregorian University, said that no scholar could “remain indifferent†to the 200th anniversary of Darwin’s birth tomorrow. There was, however, “no question of celebrating†it. The Vatican would “take the measure of an event, which has left its mark for ever on the history of science and has influenced the way we understand our humanityâ€. The “time has come for a rigorous and objective valuation†of Darwin by the Church, he said. Professor Leclerc said that too many opponents of Darwin – above all Creationists – had mistakenly claimed that his theories were “totally incompatible with a religious vision of realityâ€, as did proponents of Intelligent Design. Darwin’s theories had never been formally condemned by the Roman Catholic Church, Monsignor Ravasi insisted. His rehabilitation had begun as long ago as 1950, when Pius XII described evolution as a valid scientific approach to the development of humans. In 1996 John Paul II said that it was “more than a hypothesisâ€. Father Giuseppe Tanzella-Nitti, Professor of Theology at the Pontifical Santa Croce University in Rome, said that Darwin had been anticipated by St Augustine of Hippo. The 4th-century theologian had “never heard the term evolution, but knew that big fish eat smaller fish†and that forms of life had been transformed “slowly over timeâ€. Aquinas had made similar observations in the Middle Ages, he added. He said it was time that theologians as well as scientists grappled with the mysteries of genetic codes and “whether the diversification of life forms is the result of competition or cooperation between speciesâ€. As for the origins of Man, although we shared 97 per cent of our “genetic inheritance†with apes, the remaining 3 per cent “is what makes us uniqueâ€, including religion. “I maintain that the idea of evolution has a place in Christian theology,†Professor Tanzella-Nitti added. Creationism remains powerful in the US, however, notably among Protestants, and its followers object to evolution being taught in state schools. The Church of England is seeking to bring Darwin back into the fold with a page on its website paying tribute to his “forgotten†work in his local parish, to illustrate how science and Church need not be at odds. Several pages celebrate Darwin’s “significant scientific progress†to mark his bicentenary and also the 150th anniversary of On the Origin of Species. The Church wants to correct the impression that Darwin’s relationship with Anglicanism was contentious. The Anglican Church as a whole did not condemn Darwin or his beliefs. It says that although he lost his faith, he did not become antiChurch or antireligious.
Religion & Spirituality - 21 Answers
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1 :
hooray! the vatican made a quantum leap from year 1 ad to the 21st century at last
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What do you mean by 'Christians?' Did you know that a large sum of Christians believe in evolution? Did you know that evolution was first coined by creationists?
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Just because someone believes what one says doesn't mean its right or fact. Truth is not dictated, it is the dictator. If you just stuck to the first sentence you could've saved yourself all this time.
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They will say that god spoke to them and said the pope is a fraud.
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Well, sense this Child of God thinks the vatican has NO say so in what God thinks, does or says, I could care less...... go in peace... God bless
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Well, first, the Catholic church has had this stance, perhaps unofficially, for quite some time. Second, the pope is not the leader of all Christians, only Catholics, so some Christians won't give a rat's a@@ what the pope says is in agreement with the Catholic faith. Third, I just love how the Catholic church is saying that some of their saints were actually the ones who set the precedent for the theory of evolution. If that's not "spin" I don't know what is.
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The Vatican has no say over True followers of Christ,so it is mute either way..
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I'm with Annie on this one. I give "papal authority" about as much credence as if the pope wrote a manual on automotive maintenance. If they wish to "cave" on this issue, that is their call. Doesn't affect me one iota. I am, and shall remain, a creationist. And yes, I've investigated the "evidence" of evolution and find it incredibly lacking.
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Forget the crappy news. Catholics still believe in Intelligent Design. If you believe in God, you have to subscribe to Intelligent Design of one form or another.
10 :
This isn't the first time the catholic church has been wrong. Look at their lying, blood filled history. Just a bunch of pompous old men playing dress up in their flowing robes and fish hats. I could care less what the catholic church has to say, there just men pleasers.
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Fortunately, the Vatican does not represent me or my beliefs, and I am not obliged to do or believe anything that they say. The Vatican is--and has always has been---a glorified political office that will compromise any "Christian" doctrine in order to either get more people to fill their coffers or to keep people from leaving.
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Sounds like some folks at the Vatican need to open their Bibles and actually read it; billions of year of evolution and the Bible are 100% incompatiable. 1.The Bible clearly teaches that God created in six literal, 24-hour days a few thousand years ago. 2.The context of Genesis 1 clearly shows that the days of creation were literal days. 3.The genealogies of Genesis 5 and 11 make it clear that the creation days happened only about 6,000 years ago. 4.Exodus 20:9–11 blocks all attempts to fit millions of years into Genesis 1. 5.Noah’s Flood washes away millions of years. 6.Jesus was a young-earth creationist
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The author of this article is about 60 years too late. Truth cannot contradict Truth. -- Pope Leo XIII Most Jews and Christians do not take the stories of creation in the Bible literally. We believe the stories included in first 11 chapters of Genesis tell religious truth but not necessarily historical fact. One of the religious truths is that God created everything and declared all was good. Catholics can believe in the theories of the big bang or evolution or both or neither. On August 12, 1950 Pope Pius XII said in his encyclical Humani generis: The Teaching Authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions, on the part of men experienced in both fields, take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter - for the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God. Here is the complete encyclical: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xii/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_12081950_humani-generis_en.html And here is the Address of Pope John Paul II to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences on October 22, 1996 speaking of the Theory of Evolution: http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_jp02tc.htm Here is an interesting article about Pope John Paul II's opinion in the matter: http://www.americamagazine.org/content/article.cfm?article_id=4627 The Church supports science in the discovery of God's creation. At this time, the big bang and evolution are the most logical scientific explanations. As long as we believe that God started the whole thing, both the Bible and responsible modern science can live in harmony. Here is a nice list of Christian thinkers in science: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science The Clergy Letter Project an open letter endorsing the Theory of Evolution signed by over 10,000 clergy from many
14 :
The Vatican did not say Darwin was right. It said that Christians are free to choose what they want to believe about evolution, and that any choice they make is totally compatible with true Christian teaching. The catholic Church, because its teachings are guaranteed true by its founder Jesus Christ, has no fear of truths revealed by science. Truth cannot conflict with truth.
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Well - I was never one to follow church doctrines that are different than what is stated in the bible. Let them talk away - I don't believe evolution for a second - I do believe the words written in scripture - Evolution has been taught in US public schools since the Scopes' 'monkey trial' of 7*21*1925. the catholic church has declared all sorts of stuff that can be found nowhere in scripture - being christian is not the same as being catholic
16 :
The Catholic church has been wrong since the begining. They made people pay for their sins to be forgiven so they could take the money for themselves. They also didn't let anyone read the Bible and they read the Bible to them while making up their own rules. I just finished Western Civilization in college, so I know this. I'm not supprised they are wrong again. I love Jesus! and God created the earth, fool
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I have never listened to what the Vatican said........ever.
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Can you read English? How much do you know about the CC? The CC has never said Darwin was right. It has said for years and years that he might be right, and that his theory is not incompatible with Christianity. But I'm glad to discover you're just about caught up.
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You make the claim that the Vatican is Christian. I do not believe they are true Christians, so, to answer your question, I as a true Christian and Jehovah's Witness will still continue to put faith in my creator. What the Vatican decided on Christianity has no bearing on true Christians.
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I don't know where in the article that you got that idea? It never said Darwin was right.
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Christians won't do anything different. The vast majority of christians in the world, including Catholics, have accepted evolution and Darwin's ideas for decades. There will be no change in thinking for them. It is only the fundamentalist, literal bible sects, largely in the USA, that don't accept evolution. They will not be paying any attention to the Vatican -- those sects are not Catholic. Since they don't agree with the Vatican, they won't do anything different either.
Wednesday, April 7, 2010
Is the Vatican Behind the Mess and Revolution the Entire World is Now in
Is the Vatican Behind the Mess and Revolution the Entire World is Now in?
I say this because what's happening is rather strange. People all around are telling us we have to sacrifice our sons and daughters into the most ridiculous war "for our freedoms" are now constantly telling us about Martial Law coming and are making arrangements for this Martial Law all around the country, even making detention camps and coffins in large numbers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4 They are showing that they know something we do not. When we interview these people on the internet and show how all this expensive repair work against 19 hijackers, fierce no-fly-zones and horrifying defeated dictators is not necessary, they never answer our questions but appear and constantly give us mental diagnoses and pharmaceutical advice, like the Communists and Nazis always did, telling us we have to take our meds because we think differently. When we reveal to them BOLD AND PUBLIC DEATH THREATS AGAINST ALL WHO ARE NOT CATHOLIC, they just dance right over the evidence as if such threats are supposed to be an everyday circumstance and begin a persistent attack against those who expose these bold threats, telling them how evil they are for even thinking such threats are an issue. http://www.TheirSecrets.info/AC/AppealChapI.htm We do not assume that anyone who acts like this proves he's a Japanese. There is only one group of people throughout history that were like this, and the people who brought this evidence to us are still called, "Anti-Catholic." Protestants were indeed by nature "Anti-Catholic," but history shows that Rome was always, Anti-EVERYTHING ELSE. Then, as they become more bold, they issue public postings telling us that the Vatican controls the United States. One poster by the name of "Maude" wrote this on the following webpage: WHAT IS THE ACTUAL PURPOSE OF THE WARS: http://www.TheirSecrets.info/iraqwar.htm Contrary to the need to correct anyone who is not politically correct "or free to voice their opinions," this poster has never been opposed yet except for us who are usually given the free mental and pharmaceutical diagnoses by "freedom fighters." That website shows a total war that's carried everywhere when a certain group of strange people all over the world start wars to "save innocent lives," then take more lives than the enemy they are supposed to attack to make them stop, and then when the American people even vote against those wars, their votes don't count. We went to war to stop Saddam from taking innocent lives. Why is it then that, like the Third Reich, we wound up taking far more lives than Saddam ever did? Many strongly resisted the Iraq War and claimed that Saddam Hussein didn't have WMDs from his contained post in no-fly-zones. Those people were given so much mental diagnoses and pharmaceutical advice for doing that, it's a wonder since it was proven that they were right, the mental and pharmaceutical diagnoses against them have more than doubled by the same people who were proved wrong. Is there any other people on earth who can see the boldest public death threats against all who are not Catholic and then make war with anyone who doesn't like those threats?
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not really....If your looking for someone to start with ...I would begin with Ried or Pelosi
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No. The Vatican doesn't have that kind of clout and haven't for centuries. However, if you are into conspiracy theories, you might enjoy looking into the Illuminati.
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You must stop waching Youtube. It is full of nuts.
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No.
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Adjust your tin-foil hat. It's not the Vatican - it's the Martians.
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Since the last two popes did everything they could to stop all the wars, I don't think so. For your theory to work, you would have to assume that all soldiers were protestant, or Catholics would get killed, too. And George Bush, who started the Iraq War, is a Methodist, so where's the Vatican there? And the war wasn't started to kill non-Catholics. It was started because we wanted their oil. As to the killing numbers, you can't get a straight answer from anyone on either Hussein or the Iraq War, so how can you say we killed more of them than he did?
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Pope John Paul II was against the war in Afghanistan (which was the location at the time.) So how can the Vatican be responsible for a war they ant no part of?
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It's not the Jews. The Patriot Act has no semblance to even historical Jewish law which did not condone torture nor injustice. If the United States or the world were changing to Jewish law then we would more have a right to respect Jews. The Patriot Act is Vatican law right out of the Inquisitions. By the way, unlike the other posters here, I think it is rather horrible to make threats of death to all who are not Catholic. What, haven't we already found out that the Constitution of the United States is "outdated?" What better can come from such conclusions than to take us back much further? I mean what is the comparison between such threats and Timothy McVeigh, Ted Bundy, The Green River Killer and all other serial killers of the 20th century combined? All history in fact shows that only the militia of the Papacy can make such threats and can also not notice them from a civilized standpoint. That includes the swarms of comment posters here. It is far better to get a tinfoil hate than to be damned to hell! See that you get one and LIVE!
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the vatican has been messing with politics for century's. they are now helping illegal aliens getting into the US. so I'm sure they are calling the shots on many wars. there are a lot of Catholics on here who will disagree but if you look at history the vatican has always been behind many wars.they certainly have their fair share of the worlds wealth.
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I totally agree with mommanuk.
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I have seen many of the postings on the TheirSecrets.info page. Many of the posters who favored the death threats and proudly announced they were Catholics defended the wars. How is it then that posters can here tell us that the Popes were against the wars? I saw pages that documented the Jesuits there being reminded that Pope John Paul II was against the Iraq War. They responded with the mental diagnoses, "Anti-Catholic" accusations and the tinfoil hat dilemma that would have stopped the most ridiculous wars of treason. Most of the Catholics there were saying how the wars were necessary for freedom and then constantly gave brash insults to all who disagreed with them. The idea that Rome openly opposes something is never a proof of what she actually thinks nor the positions that she holds. There is even a discussion with American soldiers on that website doing the same thing: attacking people who notice bold threats of death against billions of people merely for not being Catholic. Links are right there on the home page. Why suffer on in confusion? Look at the evidence. Just as persistently as thousands of years Rome has not changed will propagandists on the internet persist in ranting lies. You can usually detect them based on their lack of adherence to the issues in discussion. It is best to go to the actual links and then make comment, for, if the Pope speaks against the wars but then her loyal followers all support it with reminders of the Pope's wishes not accomplishing anything, we may want to research on what the Papacy actually thinks. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion. christian.adventist/msg/77214feff568d5d0 Maude: "Whether or not you realize it, we already control your nation. We got Bush reelected only after he came to Rome to swear allegience to His Holiness the Pope, at that time the Blessed John Paul II. We opened the southern border so that a huge influx of devout Hispanic Roman Catholics could take possession of the American Southwest and begin the rule of a new Catholic Majority Soon we will remove the 50 star field from the US flag and replace with the crossed keys of Peter and the Papal crown from the Church's flag...and you are powerless to stop it." [The typical response is that such disclosures are false and misrepresent the Vatican, then comes a constant evasion of why then such misrepresentation only makes them angry with the people who expose them.]
I say this because what's happening is rather strange. People all around are telling us we have to sacrifice our sons and daughters into the most ridiculous war "for our freedoms" are now constantly telling us about Martial Law coming and are making arrangements for this Martial Law all around the country, even making detention camps and coffins in large numbers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4 They are showing that they know something we do not. When we interview these people on the internet and show how all this expensive repair work against 19 hijackers, fierce no-fly-zones and horrifying defeated dictators is not necessary, they never answer our questions but appear and constantly give us mental diagnoses and pharmaceutical advice, like the Communists and Nazis always did, telling us we have to take our meds because we think differently. When we reveal to them BOLD AND PUBLIC DEATH THREATS AGAINST ALL WHO ARE NOT CATHOLIC, they just dance right over the evidence as if such threats are supposed to be an everyday circumstance and begin a persistent attack against those who expose these bold threats, telling them how evil they are for even thinking such threats are an issue. http://www.TheirSecrets.info/AC/AppealChapI.htm We do not assume that anyone who acts like this proves he's a Japanese. There is only one group of people throughout history that were like this, and the people who brought this evidence to us are still called, "Anti-Catholic." Protestants were indeed by nature "Anti-Catholic," but history shows that Rome was always, Anti-EVERYTHING ELSE. Then, as they become more bold, they issue public postings telling us that the Vatican controls the United States. One poster by the name of "Maude" wrote this on the following webpage: WHAT IS THE ACTUAL PURPOSE OF THE WARS: http://www.TheirSecrets.info/iraqwar.htm Contrary to the need to correct anyone who is not politically correct "or free to voice their opinions," this poster has never been opposed yet except for us who are usually given the free mental and pharmaceutical diagnoses by "freedom fighters." That website shows a total war that's carried everywhere when a certain group of strange people all over the world start wars to "save innocent lives," then take more lives than the enemy they are supposed to attack to make them stop, and then when the American people even vote against those wars, their votes don't count. We went to war to stop Saddam from taking innocent lives. Why is it then that, like the Third Reich, we wound up taking far more lives than Saddam ever did? Many strongly resisted the Iraq War and claimed that Saddam Hussein didn't have WMDs from his contained post in no-fly-zones. Those people were given so much mental diagnoses and pharmaceutical advice for doing that, it's a wonder since it was proven that they were right, the mental and pharmaceutical diagnoses against them have more than doubled by the same people who were proved wrong. Is there any other people on earth who can see the boldest public death threats against all who are not Catholic and then make war with anyone who doesn't like those threats?
Politics - 11 Answers
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not really....If your looking for someone to start with ...I would begin with Ried or Pelosi
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No. The Vatican doesn't have that kind of clout and haven't for centuries. However, if you are into conspiracy theories, you might enjoy looking into the Illuminati.
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You must stop waching Youtube. It is full of nuts.
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No.
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Adjust your tin-foil hat. It's not the Vatican - it's the Martians.
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Since the last two popes did everything they could to stop all the wars, I don't think so. For your theory to work, you would have to assume that all soldiers were protestant, or Catholics would get killed, too. And George Bush, who started the Iraq War, is a Methodist, so where's the Vatican there? And the war wasn't started to kill non-Catholics. It was started because we wanted their oil. As to the killing numbers, you can't get a straight answer from anyone on either Hussein or the Iraq War, so how can you say we killed more of them than he did?
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Pope John Paul II was against the war in Afghanistan (which was the location at the time.) So how can the Vatican be responsible for a war they ant no part of?
8 :
It's not the Jews. The Patriot Act has no semblance to even historical Jewish law which did not condone torture nor injustice. If the United States or the world were changing to Jewish law then we would more have a right to respect Jews. The Patriot Act is Vatican law right out of the Inquisitions. By the way, unlike the other posters here, I think it is rather horrible to make threats of death to all who are not Catholic. What, haven't we already found out that the Constitution of the United States is "outdated?" What better can come from such conclusions than to take us back much further? I mean what is the comparison between such threats and Timothy McVeigh, Ted Bundy, The Green River Killer and all other serial killers of the 20th century combined? All history in fact shows that only the militia of the Papacy can make such threats and can also not notice them from a civilized standpoint. That includes the swarms of comment posters here. It is far better to get a tinfoil hate than to be damned to hell! See that you get one and LIVE!
9 :
the vatican has been messing with politics for century's. they are now helping illegal aliens getting into the US. so I'm sure they are calling the shots on many wars. there are a lot of Catholics on here who will disagree but if you look at history the vatican has always been behind many wars.they certainly have their fair share of the worlds wealth.
10 :
I totally agree with mommanuk.
11 :
I have seen many of the postings on the TheirSecrets.info page. Many of the posters who favored the death threats and proudly announced they were Catholics defended the wars. How is it then that posters can here tell us that the Popes were against the wars? I saw pages that documented the Jesuits there being reminded that Pope John Paul II was against the Iraq War. They responded with the mental diagnoses, "Anti-Catholic" accusations and the tinfoil hat dilemma that would have stopped the most ridiculous wars of treason. Most of the Catholics there were saying how the wars were necessary for freedom and then constantly gave brash insults to all who disagreed with them. The idea that Rome openly opposes something is never a proof of what she actually thinks nor the positions that she holds. There is even a discussion with American soldiers on that website doing the same thing: attacking people who notice bold threats of death against billions of people merely for not being Catholic. Links are right there on the home page. Why suffer on in confusion? Look at the evidence. Just as persistently as thousands of years Rome has not changed will propagandists on the internet persist in ranting lies. You can usually detect them based on their lack of adherence to the issues in discussion. It is best to go to the actual links and then make comment, for, if the Pope speaks against the wars but then her loyal followers all support it with reminders of the Pope's wishes not accomplishing anything, we may want to research on what the Papacy actually thinks. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion. christian.adventist/msg/77214feff568d5d0 Maude: "Whether or not you realize it, we already control your nation. We got Bush reelected only after he came to Rome to swear allegience to His Holiness the Pope, at that time the Blessed John Paul II. We opened the southern border so that a huge influx of devout Hispanic Roman Catholics could take possession of the American Southwest and begin the rule of a new Catholic Majority Soon we will remove the 50 star field from the US flag and replace with the crossed keys of Peter and the Papal crown from the Church's flag...and you are powerless to stop it." [The typical response is that such disclosures are false and misrepresent the Vatican, then comes a constant evasion of why then such misrepresentation only makes them angry with the people who expose them.]
Thursday, April 1, 2010
Can Vatican Humor be silly
Can Vatican Humor be silly ?
After getting all of Pope Benedict's luggage loaded into the limo, (and he doesn't travel light), the driver notices the Pope is still standing on the curb. 'Excuse me, Your Holiness,' says the driver, 'Would you please take your seat so we can leave?' 'Well, to tell you the truth,' says the Pope, 'they never let me drive at the Vatican when I was a cardinal, and I'd really like to drive today..' 'I'm sorry, Your Holiness, but I cannot let you do that. I'd lose my job! What if something should happen?' protests the driver, wishing he'd never gone to work that morning.. 'Who's going to tell?' says the Pope with a smile. Reluctantly, the driver gets in the back as the Pope climbs in behind the wheel. The driver quickly regrets his decision when, after exiting the airport, the Pontiff floors it, accelerating the limo to 205 kms.. (Remember, the Pope is German..) 'Please slow down, Your Holiness!' pleads the worried driver, but the Pope keeps the pedal to the metal until they hear sirens. 'Oh, dear God, I'm going to lose my license -- and my job!' moans the driver. The Pope pulls over and rolls down the window as the cop approaches, but the cop takes one look at him, goes back to his motorcycle, and gets on the radio. 'I need to talk to the Chief,' he says to the dispatcher. The Chief gets on the radio and the cop tells him that he's stopped a limo going 205 kph. 'So bust him,' says the Chief. 'I don't think we want to do that, he's really important,' said the cop. The Chief exclaimed,' All the more reason!' 'No, I mean really important,' said the cop with a bit of persistence. The Chief then asked, 'Who do you have there, the mayor?' Cop: 'Bigger.' Chief: ' A senator?' Cop: 'Bigger.' Chief: 'The Prime Minister?' Cop: 'Bigger.' 'Well,' said the Chief, 'who is it?' Cop: 'I think it's God!' The Chief is even more puzzled and curious, 'What makes you think it's God?' Cop: 'His chauffeur is the Pope!' Give me a sense of humor, Lord, Give me the grace to see a joke, To get some humour out of life, . And pass it on to other folk
Religion & Spirituality - 3 Answers
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That works!
2 :
Hahaaa.. Great Bilbo!
3 :
I love it lmao
4 :
Most amusing.
After getting all of Pope Benedict's luggage loaded into the limo, (and he doesn't travel light), the driver notices the Pope is still standing on the curb. 'Excuse me, Your Holiness,' says the driver, 'Would you please take your seat so we can leave?' 'Well, to tell you the truth,' says the Pope, 'they never let me drive at the Vatican when I was a cardinal, and I'd really like to drive today..' 'I'm sorry, Your Holiness, but I cannot let you do that. I'd lose my job! What if something should happen?' protests the driver, wishing he'd never gone to work that morning.. 'Who's going to tell?' says the Pope with a smile. Reluctantly, the driver gets in the back as the Pope climbs in behind the wheel. The driver quickly regrets his decision when, after exiting the airport, the Pontiff floors it, accelerating the limo to 205 kms.. (Remember, the Pope is German..) 'Please slow down, Your Holiness!' pleads the worried driver, but the Pope keeps the pedal to the metal until they hear sirens. 'Oh, dear God, I'm going to lose my license -- and my job!' moans the driver. The Pope pulls over and rolls down the window as the cop approaches, but the cop takes one look at him, goes back to his motorcycle, and gets on the radio. 'I need to talk to the Chief,' he says to the dispatcher. The Chief gets on the radio and the cop tells him that he's stopped a limo going 205 kph. 'So bust him,' says the Chief. 'I don't think we want to do that, he's really important,' said the cop. The Chief exclaimed,' All the more reason!' 'No, I mean really important,' said the cop with a bit of persistence. The Chief then asked, 'Who do you have there, the mayor?' Cop: 'Bigger.' Chief: ' A senator?' Cop: 'Bigger.' Chief: 'The Prime Minister?' Cop: 'Bigger.' 'Well,' said the Chief, 'who is it?' Cop: 'I think it's God!' The Chief is even more puzzled and curious, 'What makes you think it's God?' Cop: 'His chauffeur is the Pope!' Give me a sense of humor, Lord, Give me the grace to see a joke, To get some humour out of life, . And pass it on to other folk
Religion & Spirituality - 3 Answers
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1 :
That works!
2 :
Hahaaa.. Great Bilbo!
3 :
I love it lmao
4 :
Most amusing.
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